"I don't think my views here in Azkaban are affecting any policies the Ministry might be enacting. I will say that I can see if you're not able to get married or if you're being reported or grabbed on the street for holding hands that's an issue...but earlier when you said the Ministry couldn't really tell I got the impression they weren't doing those sorts of things. Besides, I told you I didn't care who you loved, married, or held hands with. I have no issues with you fighting like you said, for equality. I do think there's a line somewhere though between equality and acceptance."
Regan BlackRavenclaw Alumna -Three Broomsticks Waitress and Artist – 13:28, June 20, 2019 (UTC)
"Equality means everything is the same for everyone. Laws should be written so they apply equally to everyone. If you break them the punishments should be equal for everyone who breaks them. Laws should be written and approved to allow individual choice except when they come into conflict with safety. An example getting closer to our topic is that you should be free to marry whom you like...except if they're closely related to you since that might threaten the safety of any kids you have. You cannot kill people...unless they've killed others and might continue to do so. Of course finding a balance can be tricky since if you try to push safety too much people get annoyed the government is placing additional restrictions for safety they feel they don't need.
Then you have the second part...acceptance or fairness. Acceptance or fairness is something completely different and is all based on someone's feelings and opinions. It's what allows a judge to give some leeway for circumstances in the law. It's also what can make someone with bad experiences or prejudice go the opposite way. It's the flex room in the rigid laws for humanity. As an example equality would say if I bought a daughter perfume I should also buy a son perfume too so it would be equal. Fairness would say that's silly...cologne would be more fair."
She'd sigh. "The Ministry should have laws that allow for individual freedom except when it's a matter of safety. If they don't have that it means you're fighting for equality which is important. When you're trying to get acceptance or fairness it means you're trying to get that leeway in the laws on your side. That's fine...but when it's something you're fighting for it means you have to fight against the fairness on the other side. Someone needs to have the freedom to allow for fairness in the laws and policies on both sides...it has to be able to swing both ways to allow fairness for others.
Let's think about a worst case example of how either equality or fairness could be a problem here. For laws...let's say they make a law that anyone can marry anyone with no restrictions. Let's say fifty percent of people decide they want to marry someone of their own sex. Twenty years down the road when there's fifty percent less kids, that might become an issue. Forty tears down the road there's not enough people to keep certain infrastructure running and civilization begins a decline." She'd hold up a hand to stall any interruption. "For fairness let's say you fight for that fairness and sway everyone to the point of view that same sex marriages are better than different sex ones. That means anytime they have to make a choice between the two they'll side with the same sex ones. Let's say a radical proposition is introduced saying since research has shown same sex marriages have a better home environment for kids, all kids should be raised if possible in same sex homes. The person deciding if it should be a law or not already has been swayed that same sex marriages are better so they approve it. Twenty years down the road we have kids being taken from their parents to be raised by others in "better environments". Forty years down the road we realize we've made it so that all women think women are better since they were raised by women and see no use for men. The men feel men are better and see no use for women and a war starts over which gender is better."
She'd give a small laugh. "I realize they're extreme examples. I'm just trying to iterate how equality or fairness without thoughts to the future, safety, or one another might have poor results. When people are being oppressed they naturally want to fight against it and if they win they usually end up going against it in an extreme way which can be dangerous. How about a more realistic example. You and your friends fight the Ministry and win. Everyone is allowed and encouraged to marry whom they like, become friends with magical creatures, and live happy lives. The Ministry would probably be weakened significantly due to everything that's happened. Their laws and policies are weakened so allow for the changes. Then due to those changes people naturally want to come here to live. The number of magical creatures and half-breeds gets to the point where they're outnumbering the wizards and witches. Something bad happens...from an old feud between werewolves and vampires reigniting or trolls deciding they need more land because of the overcrowding...something happens and the Ministry's policies all now say they have to let them have their way because those policies were relaxed after the fight was won. What happens then?"
Teresa would stretch. "I'm not saying your wrong to fight for equality. I'm not saying what happening isn't bad or needs to be fixed. I'm just trying to warn you that your clear anger over the topic needs to be tempered. There needs to be a balance in the world...if things tip too far in either way it causes problems. The biggest balance right now in our world is our society and the muggle one. If for any reason that balance is disrupted the world will change and probably not for the better. Keep that in mind as you crusade."
OOC: Sorry! Teresa hasn't had anyone to talk to...in a long time.
Regan BlackRavenclaw Alumna -Three Broomsticks Waitress and Artist – 16:16, June 20, 2019 (UTC)
It took immense difficulty not to interrupt and correct every last thing the woman said. At the end of her ridiculous lecture Regan rolled her eyes. "You've been in here too long. Your ideas are outdated. I will not sit here and debate gender roles with you. Your notions and propositions are far too extreme and would never come to fruition. You have slippery slope logic." She glared hard at Teresa, and spoke with deadly seriousness. "And don't you dare tell me how to respond to injustice. Dont. You. Dare."
OOC: we've debated gender roles several times on the wiki... Thomas/Elle for sure. I think Hope/Ferlen and possibly Ash/Charity. I don't really wanna do that again. XD
She'd give a emotionless shrug. "Well I'm glad my ideas of how things should be balanced are too extreme."
Regan BlackRavenclaw Alumna -Three Broomsticks Waitress and Artist – 17:27, June 20, 2019 (UTC)
It wasn't balance, it was backward. But Regan knew it wasn't worth her breath. This woman was wrong, and had been trapped for twenty years away from the world, with only her own thoughts. There was no changing that. At least Rose was safe from her. As much as Regan wanted to have the last word... she decided to rise above the woman's pettiness. She hopped down from her bed and started doing laps, pointedly ignoring Teresa.
She'd lay back on her bunk. "For someone saying they're fighting for tolerance and acceptance...you're pretty intolerant and unaccepting. I suppose it is just easier to say those buzz words when they apply to you and ignore it when they don't."
Regan BlackRavenclaw Alumna -Three Broomsticks Waitress and Artist – 17:46, June 20, 2019 (UTC)
"I don't hate you," she said, her tone forcibly polite. "I find you backwards, intolerant and sad. I'm sorry you've been locked up so long that you can't see out of your silly way of thinking. Why would I tolerate views that are outdated and have no basis in reality? Would you still tolerate and accept my view if I insisted that this gray stone cell was purple?"
"I would tell you that you were wrong and it was grey...but I wouldn't think less of you if we couldn't agree and when I realized we couldn't agree I wouldn't keep bringing it up. Just because we don't agree on something doesn't mean we can't like or tolerate one another. Besides...maybe we could both be right and you just see in a different color spectrum. The world is strange like that sometimes."
Regan BlackRavenclaw Alumna -Three Broomsticks Waitress and Artist – 17:54, June 20, 2019 (UTC)
"The color of the wall doesn't ultimately determine..." she sighed and shook her head. "Look, I'll... tolerate being in here with you. But we aren't friends. And won't be friends. And in the real world I would never associate myself with someone who thinks like you, because it hurts. It's toxic. And unfortunately I was put in here with you, and I doubt I'd be allowed to switch."
"I'm sorry that you don't like how I think. You are the one who asked and kept pushing me to answer. ...and I'm sorry that because we have differing opinions on one aspect of life it means if you weren't forced you wouldn't even associate with me."
Regan BlackRavenclaw Alumna -Three Broomsticks Waitress and Artist – 18:07, June 20, 2019 (UTC)